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Devian 666
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Posted - 2006.10.17 02:29:00 -
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ISS claim neutrality but I do not regard supplying enemies with ships, mods, ammunition and jump clones to be neutral.
You sell one alliance 15 dreads and give the intel to another alliance so that they buy 16. ISS are out to make money by profiting from the wars they help to create.
Economic imbalance creates war and ISS profit from war. Don't believe the ISS propaganda that it is actually possible to be neutral in this game.
In response to the claim that they're providing access to 0.0 for many players that might well be true, but if you actually go and talk to new pilots they don't enter low sec and 0.0 because of fear, not because of a lack of station access.
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Devian 666
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Posted - 2006.10.17 04:27:00 -
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 Originally by: Aeaus
Originally by: Devian 666
ISS claim neutrality but I do not regard supplying enemies with ships, mods, ammunition and jump clones to be neutral.
You sell one alliance 15 dreads and give the intel to another alliance so that they buy 16. ISS are out to make money by profiting from the wars they help to create.
Economic imbalance creates war and ISS profit from war. Don't believe the ISS propaganda that it is actually possible to be neutral in this game.
In response to the claim that they're providing access to 0.0 for many players that might well be true, but if you actually go and talk to new pilots they don't enter low sec and 0.0 because of fear, not because of a lack of station access.
Troll =/
No, I'm afraid I'm not trolling. Every ISS hauler shot down has contained weapons, ammo, ships or mods, ummm except that one with pos fuel. They continue to make money at the expense of their "friends". I don't like D2D but I support any military action against ISS.
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Devian 666
Snakes in a Pod
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Posted - 2006.10.17 08:54:00 -
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Originally by: Dragerest
die alt
Meh.
It seems quite clear that ISS have a significant foothold in both the north and the south. I don't see how they can continue to claim to be neutral when they provide infrastructure to your enemies to support their ops in 0.0
That's not being neutral.
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Devian 666
Snakes in a Pod
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Posted - 2006.10.17 19:22:00 -
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Originally by: Manas
The ISS members and corporations who keep the stations running do so not out of profit (it isn’t really profitable with the shares distributed), but because it opens up interesting gameplay. Running an open outpost and market in 0.0 space is an interesting and difficult challenge. With a large and open alliance like ISS, there will always be loose cannons, but the ISS leadership does a fine job of kicking troublemakers, smoothing ruffled feathers, and making policy adjustments where necessary. Hopefully aggrieved parties will give the ISS leadership a chance to work.
I wish to give thanks to ISS for giving many small corporations and newer players the opportunity to experience 0.0 space without giving up their identity. They are an incubator for many future great 0.0 space corps. Thanks to the ISS diplomats and pilots who are trying to keep places like Cassini/EC-P8R even halfway sane. And thanks for making Eve more interesting by adding some variety in 0.0 space alliances.
Now back to the hating..
No a station isn't really profitable when the shares are distributed.  It's only profitable to the share holders. Hang on the station is profitable and the profits are paid out. Simply if it wasn't profitable you wouldn't be there. This is ISS propaganda.
Oh yes you kick out those loose cannon alts from ISS. What a shame.
Smooth ruffled feathers = lying
Policy adjustments = moving away from neutrality
Give the ISS leadership a chance to work(?) = to make more isk for themselves while you've pulled the wool over the eyes of the neighbouring alliances.
You wish to thank ISS for allowing smacktalking carebears into 0.0 where they should be more polite to those who pod them?
Enough ISS propaganda! You are a hostile entity in the north and the south.
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Devian 666
Snakes in a Pod
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Posted - 2006.10.17 21:27:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog
Edited by: Butter Dog on 17/10/2006 19:40:02
Originally by: Devian 666
No a station isn't really profitable when the shares are distributed. It's only profitable to the share holders. Hang on the station is profitable and the profits are paid out. Simply if it wasn't profitable you wouldn't be there. This is ISS propaganda.
Hmmm. I'm going to keep this simple for you, I think you need it.
Monthy revenue from the outpost = circa 1bn ISK.
Monthly cost of 12 large sov keeping POS to ISS = circa 500m ISK
Revenue from outpost goes ENTIRELY to shareholders, the majority of whom are outside ISS.
Total profit from running EC-P outpost = nothing. It COSTS ISS 500m a month to manage and this expense is NOT recovered from revenue which is paid directly to shareholders.
Now, given this new information, do you now see why his post had merit, wheras yours is just an ill-informed rant?
That allows for the station accounting. Now if what you were saying was the entire picture then ISS would be losing 500m per month and would soon be liquidated due to having no funds. Hmmm, I don't see that happening any time soon.
The spin off benefits of having the station include mining, ratting and industrial sales. No one will fork out 500m isk and not expect some benefit either currently or in the future.
Selling the shares to the stations is just a risk mitigation measure which releases ISS isk for other uses.
You can now continue to add more spin to the ISS propaganda machine.
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Devian 666
Snakes in a Pod
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Posted - 2006.10.18 21:18:00 -
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Yes I understand from what you have said is that I am correct.
I think the ISS strategy is effectively executed and presents a significant military threat.
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